Previously on “War and peace”, from my great-grandfather Élie Martin to my great-uncle Philippe Onraët, an account of the family members who went to war, from the Chinese-French war of the 19th century to WWI… This post will deal with WWII onwards. (All images: family archives)
1939, Rwanda-Urundi, East Africa, my uncle Gérard Leclerc was looking for gold mines. I joke you not. Gold mines. Note the Johnny Walker bottle on the folding table.
After the defeat in 1940, De Gaulle rallied those parts of the “Empire” that he could, with the help of Governor general Félix Eboué. Parts of French Africa did join the Free French Forces: Chad, Cameroon, French Equatorial Africa. Not Sénégal or North Africa which kept their allegiance to Vichy. In October 1940, de Gaulle delivered a speech on the radio in Brazzaville, the capital of then French Congo. Many Frenchmen in Africa travelled to Congo to volunteer and join the Free French Forces. Including my Uncle Gérard. It must have taken him weeks or more to cross Africa from Rwanda to Congo.
Uncle Gérard in Casablanca, 1943. In November 1942, Americans and English forces had landed in North Africa. Free French Forces were not involved, since Roosevelt disliked de Gaulle immensely and tried to “outrank” him with General Giroud. A typical Roosevelt ploy which de Gaulle had to work around.
Regardless, in 1943, Uncle Gérard was in Casablanca with the Free French Forces. Now that I think of it, he probably saw his in-laws, my grandparents, Pierre Martin and Julie Martin, née Onraët, who’d retired there. (See the first part). Eventually Uncle Gérard would land in Normandy in 1944, with the French Second Armoured Division under General Leclerc (not related) all the way to Berlin in May 1945. Not sure what his rank was. A sergeant would have two stripes. One silver stripe is weird.

My father Cyril Martin-Onraët (1918-2010) was a second lieutenant for a few months until France surrendered. See “1940, the war lost” which I recently posted:

My father Cyril, in Karachi, Pakistan, c.1950. Peace? Not really. He was an Air France man. Pakistan was the obliged stop-over between France and Saïgon and the French Vietnam war. Even then, as now, military air transport was not our forte. So my father flew soldiers to the East, on commercial Air France planes, and coffins back west from Indochina. Including the body of Lieutenant De Lattre, the son of Marshall De Lattre de Tassigny, commander-in-chief of the French army in Indochina. Even generals lose their sons in war.

Peter Goutière, born in India in 1914. Though a contemporary of my father’s, Peter is actually my grandmother Julie’s first cousin; as often happened then in large families, his father George, was twenty years younger than his eldest sister, Marie-Wilhelmine Goutière, my great-grandmother. In other words, Peter’s aunt. (See first part). (Are you taking notes? There will be an exam at the end.) Peter’s father died when Peter was a small child, who then emigrated to the US.
Peter fought the entire WWII in China under General Claire Chennault, with the Flying tigers, supporting Chiang Kai-Shek against the Japanese, and Mao Zedong incidentally. CNAC means China National Aviation Corporation. The flying tigers were formed in April 1941, officially as a Chinese force. Months before Pearl Harbor, the US could not be officially involved. (Sounds familiar?) Peter was a military pilot; after the war, he became a commercial airline pilot with Pan Am I believe. (Remember PAA?)

Last I heard, “Uncle Pete” was still alive in late 2020, at 106. Smoking a cigar on his birthday party, and wearing the CNAC Flying Tigers cap. I don’t think his glass only has Coke in it. Cheers Uncle Pete.

My mother Renée, née Prodault, (1926-2004) joined the French Air Force in 1944, after Brittany was liberated by the Allies. As a “WAC”, she did mainly typing and clerical work, though she was called on a special mystery mission in May 1945, which you can read in “An unexpected trip” if you haven’t already:

My parents, Cyril and Renée, c.1952, in Karachi, Pakistan. A few years after the war, I guesstimate they had at least 3 to 5 social events weekly. Peace?

My brother Richard, born in 1946. He joined the French Navy in 1963 for 3 years. He was lucky. The Algerian war was just over. No other war or “operation” had started. Good timing.

Richard, c.1968, with his Mod/Rocker look, after his service, when he joined the student barricades in May ’68. He didn’t do it for political reasons, just for the eyes of a pretty Maoist French Lit. student. Peace? The American Vietnam war was already under way. If Americans had asked us we would have told them: “Don’t go there. They beat the crap out of us… in Diên Biên Phú in 1954.”

1960. Conakry, Guinea, West Africa. Little sister and yours truly, dressed up as little Bretons (that we were). The Cuba missile crisis was only two years away. Never heard anything about it at the time. Kids were very much shielded by grown-ups then. On some weeks the French news magazines “didn’t make it in the post.” Ha! The first President of newly indenpendent Guinea, whose name I cannot get myself to write, was already moving his pawns towards full dictatorship and massive slaughter of opponents.

1976-1977, the author of these lines as a corporal in the French Army. 41st Infantry Regiment based in Brittany. The regiment dated back to 1634. Dissolved by Chirac in 1999 as a consequence of the end of military service. One of his many political mistakes. The regiment’s motto was “Hardi Bretagne.” (Dare! Brittany!)
I was lucky too. Interventions in Africa (Chad mainly, early 70’s) were temporarily over. No overseas expeditions in view. Training was a serious affair though. In one year military service, we spent 130 days in maneuvers. Discounting leave of absence, and cleaning up the barracks, half the year. After a coupla months we were “experts” in any kind of weapons from 9mm pistol all the way to 81mm mortar, including the Browning M2 machine gun that fires 500 bullets a minute. Goes through a steel plate of almost an inch. (Don’t want to think what they have invented now).

Thinking back to my great-grandfather, the “Admiral” Élie Martin, the rest of the family has fared poorly rank-wise. My father was “only” a second lieutenant, my brother a first class sailor. I barely made it to corporal. My Captain used to verbally trash me at least once a week: “Corporal, you have an issue with authority!” I kept thinking “I only have an issue with stupidity. Captain. Sir.” I kept my thoughts to myself. Safer. But I never made it to “caporal-chef”.

Honourably discharged – despite the Captain- in July ’77, I went to Grad School at the “Univershity of Alabamer, Tuscalooser.” (Roll Tide of course). Peace? The Iranian revolution started in ’78-79, as I was “learnin’ Sudern y’all” and wrapping up my MBA…

Many years after the Wall had fallen in Berlin, with my brother Richard in Paris, near the Porte de Vanves flea market where he had a stand. We thought we had Peace. Ha! (His dog’s name was Nouba.)
As I post this on the 42nd day of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, no-one can really tell what will happen in Ukraine and beyond. All things considered? It is well possible that Peace can only be achieved after War is fought. In this line of thought, Peace would not be an alternative to War but a consequence.
Free Ukraine. 🇺🇦





Interesting family history, Brian. Uncle Pete looks like quite a character.
He is. I hope he’s all right, still around and in good health…
You should check on him. My mom-in-law is fine and coming up for 109 in August, but she doesn’t smoke cigars. 😀
I “remember” your mother-in-law. I hope she is in good health and spirit. My very best wishes to her.
I don’t have direct contact with Uncle Pete, he was close to my parents, but the link has been lost. I do have a – newly found – cousin in Canada who has the link. I’ll dig him up…
Haha……if you have to dig him up, he may not be of much help. 🤣😂
LOL. I now realize what a poor choice of words… 🤣 I shall reach out to him… Better.
Tee hee hee. Now hubby and I are rolling on the floor laughing. 🤣😂
LOL.
Why does this statement not surprise me? “Corporal, you have an issue with authority!” 😉
Haha. I’ve been made. Actually, I’ve always been very disciplined. In military or civilian situations, I always executed orders. Now I felt it was my privilege as a “Free man” to say when it was the case: “That order is stupid, but I will execute it.”
Most people in authority don’t understand that. So I ended up creating m y own company… 😉 (So I was the one giving orders…) 🤣
When I was just starting out in my career, my boss, a retired Navy lieutenant commander, gave me that advice. Go toe-to-toe with the captain in telling him why the order is stupid, but when he gives the order, you carry it out with a cheery aye-aye, sir.
Exactly.
Un beau reportage familiale !
Merci Brian (je ne sais pas pourquoi je t’appelais Brieuc)
Bonne soirée
Brieuc est tou-à-fait correct, chère Amélie. C’est mon nom officiel. Comme Saint-Brieuc. (Plus Breton que moi…) Mais comme 90% de la planète n’arrive pas à le prononcer, j’utilise Brian comme “pseudo”. Bises, “Harleyte”. 💕
always enjoy learning more Brian…another layer to your family posts…heartfelt…I always feel heavy when someone says “Peace can only be achieved after War is fought.”…another human told me that…some of the photojournalists I follow oof…it’s all so much…so sad. Be safe have a good day ~ sending a hug🤗🕊
I can imagine your feelings about that… conclusion. It came to me as I was going back to the family archives. Seeing pictures of many of my parents’ friends when I was a little child. Most, if not all had thought the war. And they were the most gentle, well mannered, peaceful people I came to know. So quite possibly, Peace is only a consequence, once the folly has been beaten…
Someone else said that? A photojournalist? Can I have the link, please…
Hugs back… 💕🤗
I like the ending. (So much war though!) And, as someone said, interesting family history!
Thank you “Lumi.” Too much war indeed.
I keep thinking there are many many families like that…
Another great episode of family history in war- and peacetime, Brian. Cool to notice how your brother Richard and you look alike. (And you had a very pretty mother!) I was never in the army, but I do have a photo album inhereted from my father when he was in the navy. The Dutch navy had one aricraft carrier then, the Karel Doorman, and at the start of the fiftees he went with a combined allies maneuvers to ‘the West’. I love the tiny pictures of him in his sailor outfit, a dapper skinny guy carrying…. no, not a gun, but his instrument, for he was a trumpeteer in the navy marching band. Not very heroic I guess, but all the more enjoyable. 🙂
Dag Peter. Hoe ratje? (Spelling?)
Yes, we do look like brothers… 😉 And our mother knew how to use her looks. 🤣
Do hang on to that album. It’s history. And a trumpet is a fine a “weapon” as any other… I seem to remember a story about trumpets in Jericho? (I tend to think heroics is just doing your job/duty. Whatever that is…)
I need to go back to that photo of yours…
Tot ziens.
What a family. Wow. Great photographs. Such an interesting post. A problem with authority, right? LOLOL Good for you. Lots of warriors. Peace is a pause between wars.
A pause? looks like it is right?
Recently read Max Weber’s work on authority… I was not convinced… 😉
Nice family gallery Brieuc. Your mom was a knock out. Was military service mandatory for all young Frenchmen?
Yes it was until Chirac “killed” it. Démagogie as usual. TBH I disliked my time in the Army. Too much bureaucracy, organized arbitrary, whatever. Some of the officers and commissioned officers had been in the Algerian war and it showed. But I felt it was both a duty of mine and the fact that an Army based on conscription remained an Army of the people.
When the OAS did a coup in Algeria agains de Gaulle, around 1961, it was the most decorated generals of WWII who initiated the coup. And those regiments who followed the coup were the professional soldiers. The coup was thwarted because of Massu, and because the drafted regiments refused to “follow” orders…
Any country needs an Army of citizens…
I tend to agree. I think we’ve discussed before that such programs work well until a psycho comes into power or financial incentives corrupt the values of leaders. But I guess things might be even worse with an all volunteer military.
Checks and balances, checks and balances. Always.
Quite a tale, yours and your family’s. You make it sound like there is never really peace, and in a way it isn’t. It’s just not war yet. Your unsaid reply to your subordinate is something I often mutter to myself as well. School was enough of a problem for me. Army would crush me. Your brother looks so familiar.
There is peace. At times. For a short or long time. Who would have thought (outside of Yugoslavia) that there would be war in the “Balkans”? Individual humans are mostly reasonable. Mobs are not. (As I’m sure you know)
And that very war in your former neck of the woods should have been a warning. But nobody listens… Sadly.
So now? We’re back at it again. And I fear that it will be ugly… Hopefully not. 🤞
Army almost crushed. But it didn’t! Yeah! ✊🏻
Familiar? Maybe because we look like brothers. But then I don’t post many pictures of mine. I think he did go to Yugoslavia in the 70’s or early 80’s with a 2CV. But you were either not born or too little… 😉
I used to date a grand connossierre (delete letters as required, my French is non-existent) of Citroens and 2CV. He was probably still too young back then. 😀 It’s amazing how people, even media, tend to forget the Balkans hostilities. Yes, hopefully not again.
Everybody has forgotten. Again! We’re hopeless…
Coonossiere is fine by me. I do capisco Italiano un po…😉
Another fascinating account of the interplay between family history and world events. An excellent portrait of Uncle Gérard. Uncle Pete is doing well. A lovely photo of your parents.
Thank you Derrick. You’re only too kind.
Like old Will said “All the world is a stage…” and we are all poor players in the play. A comedy sometimes, a tragedy often…
Take care my friend. (What wine did you have for supper?) 😉
None, Brian 🙂
OMG. Cellar is empty? Suppliers have failed you? Corkscrew has mysteriously disappeared? What’s the government doing?
Covid heads
Now that you seem to be on your way out, I hope your nose and palate were not affected.
They were not. Jackie lost her taste and smell which returned yesterday.
Taste and smell? They’d just gone for a walk around the block then. 😉
Glad they did come back…👏🏻
Treasured family traditions. The weapons… through steel are frighteningly powerful. And yet they strive to construct more lethal weapons of warfare….
It is nice to think of peace coming in Ukraine and that eventually it comes, but then some wars last 30 years or more. Hopefully not this one.
I can imagine you had an issue with stupidity. To have an effective military force, you also need blind allegiance to authority. Something I have also railed against. I would never suit the military. Thank god I never went in that direction. I would be a basket case or court marshalled for subordination or defiance of illogical decisions.
Yes, the military needs immediate obedience. Can’t start arguing which is the better route up the hill while they’re firing at you…
Not my direction, military service was compulsory then. I still think it should be. Any Army should be composed of citizens.
Good point about an army of its citizens. We don’t want mercenaries!!
Military service, as opposed to consription has some merits for certain individuals. Perhaps the incentives should be higher if you sign up or strongly encouraged for those who are not able to discipline themselves.
The concept of military service is correct I think, particularly when education and health are public. Your country “cares” for you, defend her.
And it should be across the board. All young men (and women) age 18 to… 22 owe one year of service to the nation. Thus, it could be extended to “public service”, not all necessarily “fit” for the military…
How interesting Brian. I need to read all this from the start to take it all in!!!
Hi Kawanku. There’s only a first part. Here’s the link:
https://equinoxio21.wordpress.com/2022/03/29/war-and-peace-a-family-account/
Thanx Brian for the share, will have a read x
Thanks for the visit Kawanku. (I am really so happy for you that you are in Europe. Like the dark clouds have finally opened?)
Je découvre que nous avons fait notre service militaire au même endroit (41ème Régiment d’Infanterie), mais avec une quinzaine d’années d’écart. 😉
Oh la vache! Dément ça. Probabilité de combien? 0,000000n? A la Lande d’Ouée ou le 41 avait déjà déménagé. Quelle compagnie? Moi j’étais dans la 3e compagnie… Un an d’enfer ou à peu près. Mon “pitaine” était fou…
Le 41e RI!? J’en reviens pas.
C’était à Châteaulin, 1 mois de classes en août 1991. Tout le monde était fou, là-bas. J’ai cru le devenir aussi… 😀
Mon seul moment de bonheur, c’était quand je suis monté dans le bus, direction la gare, le dernier jour.
Fou est le mot. Châteaulin? Y-z’avaient donc déjà bougé. Le dernier jour est toujours un grand jour… 👍🏻
Love it 🙂
Intéressant non? Family history one has to know and remember… 🤗
Interesting, and highly readable account, of your family History through many places, and countries, and those wars that shaped the Twenty Century, fortunately, protected by birth and geography, we escaped, all those adventures, that I saw in movies, and red in books during my youth, and read quite extensible about wars, fascinated in my youthful innocence about the ugliness of war.
Great post!
Thank you. Glad you liked it.
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You have a treasure of family history was a joy reading through some it especially the bits abt Karachi and social events. 😊
Shukriya. The 50’s were a moment of respite in World ad local history. The war was over. Many had fought in it. Independence had been achieved. Prospects were good for everybody. (And they all knew how to party…) 😉
Yes! I can feel the vibe of that time and people in ur posts.
Great looking family, the photo of your Mum and Dad was lovely.
That photo and a few others always make me think of the movie Casablanca with Humphrey Bogart’s white tuxedo.
Love this article! Such a great family history indeed!
Thank you.
I think you have a lot in common with your uncle, Gérard Leclerc 🙂 Perhaps not in looking for gold mines, but I have to like the Johnny Walker bottle on the folding table in the middle of nowhere! It astounds me how much has happened over just a few generations… the photos and your storytelling brings it alive. While Gérard’s photo and the 1960s shot of you and your sister are both pretty awesome, I like the feeling of peace and also strength of the last photo with you and your brother – you’d make all of your ancestors very proud!! Wonderful post, Brian… although I’m a bit disheartened as a West Coaster that you went to an SEC university 🙂 🙂 🙂 Cheers my friend, and enjoy your deserved weekend!
The JW bottle was something wasn’t it? That’s how they set up camp then… The English dressed up with black tie for dinner…
I do realize most of my childhood was peace “under wraps”. War close by but kept at bay maybe? Now it’s come back to haunt us.
Haha! I’m sure I would have enjoyed your home state for U. TBH, I had no idea. ‘Bama was a stroke of chance. I enjoyed it very much, learnt “Sudern” along the way, and learnt a lot about the South too. Valuable experience. Not to forget that Alabama and the South are beautiful, nature is incredible. (Which your place undoubtedly is…)
I remember in France joking with a few “of Ivy leaguers” that SEC had better football teams. 😉
Take care Dalo.
Living in Pac-12 country (Oregon / Washington) we are about as far away both by distance and culture as I think possible when it comes to the States. However, I have enjoyed my few times down south (New Orleans and the Carolinas) ~ have heard much of the south is brilliant in both beauty and charm so not a bad place to end up studying 🙂
America is quite wide. There is a world of distance between Californians and New Yorkers fro instance
. Now, one of my very best teachers in ‘Bama was from Chicago and another from Bâton-Rouge….
Not a bad place indeed.
Ye be god naw ye hear?
“Nawr-leens” is a nice place too. (You have been around, right?)
You not only have an illustrious family history, but the photos…OMG!
Love the chalk pastel of Uncle Gérard. I bought the paper and pastels, but haven’t come up with anything, yet. I would sure love to!
The photos have been assembled and sorted out with difficulty over the years… They do bring life to the story.
That was a nice pastel of my uncle indeed. My cousin Guillaume has it on his wall in Nantes. I took pictures all the time when we went to visit.
Now pastels… are very difficult. I’m not good at it. Give me an HB pencil, ink and watercolours anytime. 😉
fascinating & fun to get to know you better!
Well, thank you… Bonita semana.
🙏🏻💕🤗
Looking good in the fatigues, Brian! A glorious collection of family history.
Thank you. As you know, History is but the sum of individual destinies…
I love this blog and the photos complete it. Thank you for sharing this with us and all of the step-by-step photos. And is Uncle Pete 106 now or do you know? Either way, I found it fascinating!
He’d be 108. I know he was alive until the end of last year. But I don’t know. I have to look up a distant cousin who’s in touch, but I’m kinda afraid to ask…
I can understand that. 🙂 well that is amazing he was still hanging in there last year!